This is getting out of hand
This community is not what it was anymore.

I counted, and 3dcg(and (photo)realistic), which aren't the focus of this site and are only allowed because the rules are kinda loose, only make up 4,2% of the content of this site. However, almost all the recent comments are on 3dcg or realistic content, and, more concerning, the first non 3dcg or (photo)realistic post on the rank is in 59th place.

This is not a eastern style loli site anymore, it's an 3dcg and (photo)realistic site, and to deny it would be foolish. Most active members probably only go here because it's the only place they can find this kind of art without a paywall, as some have admitted.

I don't think that's bad per say, but it certainly isn't the original vision many of the long time members had.
Would you rather more strict moderation? Though, even three or two years ago, users interested in 2D art didn't really post, comment or vote that much.

The issue may be more photorealistic rather than 3dcg. I'm really annoyed by the fact that the photorealistic tag is not being used when it certainly applies to the post, because that shit should be easily filterable without blacklisting 3dcg outright. If I search for 3dcg -photorealistic, I expect not to see them, but that's not the case. Doesn't help that they attract so many annoying autists as well.

I've actually been considering banning photorealistic posts despite my affinity to some of them.
On the other hand, it brings traffic to the site. On the other, it brings obnoxious or just straight up creepy comments and somewhat steers off from the original purpose of this site.

I have the same issue with the 3dcg and photorealistic tags, hard to find non-realistic 3d hentai here if you try, like mikumikudance stuff for example (not that there is much in that style anyways). Would just be a matter of time to tag all posts properly, but if that's what it'd take to fix this issue without outright removing the permission to post these images, I'd be more than willing to work on it for a few weeks.

Actions like banning art by Alex would be a first "reasonable" thing to do if plans include limiting the uploading of photorealistic content, seeing how he's is probably the sketchiest artist of them all. Could me moderated further from there using that method if necessary, though I'm out of ideas on that regard. Maybe I just don't have a valid opinion on either removing or keeping them to begin with.

I'm up for operation #ProperlyTagPhotorealistic.
Nitro said:
On the other hand, it brings traffic to the site. On the other, it brings obnoxious or just straight up creepy comments and somewhat steers off from the original purpose of this site.
More users should flag those shitty comments, though.

Nitro said:
I have the same issue with the 3dcg and photorealistic tags, hard to find non-realistic 3d hentai here if you try, like mikumikudance stuff for example (not that there is much in that style anyways). Would just be a matter of time to tag all posts properly, but if that's what it'd take to fix this issue without outright removing the permission to post these images, I'd be more than willing to work on it for a few weeks.

Actions like banning art by Alex would be a first "reasonable" thing to do if plans include limiting the uploading of photorealistic content, seeing how he's is probably the sketchiest artist of them all. Could me moderated further from there using that method if necessary, though I'm out of ideas on that regard. Maybe I just don't have a valid opinion on either removing or keeping them to begin with.

I'm up for operation #ProperlyTagPhotorealistic.
If you search for 3dcg -photorealistic, you'll see that you'll have to sit through 75 pages (3000~ posts) that need to be tagged properly. You can try to imply photorealistic to some artist tags, but it's still a daunting task.
DMSchmidt said:
If you search for 3dcg -photorealistic, you'll see that you'll have to sit through 75 pages (3000~ posts) that need to be tagged properly. You can try to imply photorealistic to some artist tags, but it's still a daunting task.
I've been tagging 3dcg adamantly, now that I'm aware of photorealistic I'll do that too.

I agree with Life_isn't_fair, I know it's also my personal preference. It's very subjective but some content that is 3dcg and photorealistic (rarely though), and I wouldn't want to remove all of it and of course we don't all agree. But as nitro said it is a major source of traffic but it might actually something that pushes people away. The point of restricting content on this site is for our own preference of what we like (or what you like) and making it user friendly, not for all groups but for the most people possible. And deterring those weird and annoying comments would be a plus.

If we do remove all the photorealistic 3dcg content we should also try to promote the site and bring users in (which is difficult, you can't exactly tell your best friend and not everyone is interested) but this site should be friendly to both pedophililes and hebephiles alike. I say go for it, I'm willing to do anything. Should we take a vote? Maybe disable comments on certain posts and archive them so they can only be found with special syntax. This may discourage the casual pedophiles (presumably the ones that post annoying comments), but not damage the user base. like ~~[tag] to see archived posts that don't show up in normal searches or feed.

Also like this ain't hentai. Hentai embodies perfection and art. Art spans more than perversion but creativity, cuteness, a variety of expressions, aethstetics and memes. The CGI content is creative (because something is being created) but narrow and undiverse. Hentai is supposed to stand above reality, it's meant to beyond realism to perfection. Hell, I'll jack off to a circle, but this shit? Why don't I just buy a telescope and look through my neighbor's daughter's window? They have a different kind and less diverse cuteness, the aethstetic is always creepy and "I'm a sex slave, i like cum." and they don't include any other part of culture. It's just, a kitty pool, an old guy, and his granddaughter. The 2d content can be even funny sometimes. HAVE U SEEN BOWSETTE. That's creativity, the ideals behind it are pure and communitive, but behind the cgi content just stands perversion and conspiracy, hiding within the walls of our precious domain. WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHT TO CIVIL AND CLEAN CHILDPORNOGRAPHY REPRESENTATION!!!

did I go to far? That's just how I feel anyway.
DMSchmidt said:
If you search for 3dcg -photorealistic you'll see that you'll have to sit through 75 pages (3000~ posts) that need to be tagged properly. You can try to imply photorealistic to some artist tags, but it's still a daunting task.
Tagging shall begin tomorrow, then. The quicker we get it done with, the sooner we can get back to fixing tagme posts and such.

Not that I've been initiating much of that yet, I've my last exams on friday, after which I hope I'll be able to find time to put some more work in.
There is also the realistic tag which I just cannot place in all this. Technically most of the uploads are not photorealistic as they for me at least, heavily fall into the uncanny valley. It begins to seem clear this site wasn't "expecting" this sort of content while it was birthed and growing.

Up to someone more responsible to come up with an idea for how this tag duo is handled.
Whoa, it seems I started quite the topic hum?

DMSchmidt said:
I've actually been considering banning photorealistic posts despite my affinity to some of them.
I have mixed feelings about that. I'd be both happy and annoyed. There must be a better solution.

Nitro said:
I'm up for operation #ProperlyTagPhotorealistic.
I'm willing to help if I stumble on an improperly tagged post, but we need a better distinction of what counts as realistic and photorealistic, because, as you said yourself, it all just looks uncanny to me.

DMSchmidt said:
More users should flag those shitty comments, though.
I need clarification on what should and shouldn't be allowed in the comments, because then I would flag everything I saw that was improper.

Alacaster said:
I agree with Life_isn't_fair
I think this is actually the first time someone transcribes my nickname.

Alacaster said:
Also like this ain't hentai. Hentai embodies perfection and art. Art spans more than perversion but creativity, cuteness, a variety of expressions, aethstetics and memes. The CGI content is creative (because something is being created) but narrow and undiverse. Hentai is supposed to stand above reality, it's meant to beyond realism to perfection. Hell, I'll jack off to a circle, but this shit? Why don't I just buy a telescope and look through my neighbor's daughter's window? They have a different kind and less diverse cuteness, the aethstetic is always creepy and "I'm a sex slave, i like cum." and they don't include any other part of culture. It's just, a kitty pool, an old guy, and his granddaughter. The 2d content can be even funny sometimes. HAVE U SEEN BOWSETTE. That's creativity, the ideals behind it are pure and communitive, but behind the cgi content just stands perversion and conspiracy, hiding within the walls of our precious domain. WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHT TO CIVIL AND CLEAN CHILDPORNOGRAPHY REPRESENTATION!!!
Marry me ;-;

Nitro said:
There is also the realistic tag which I just cannot place in all this. Technically most of the uploads are not photorealistic as they for me at least, heavily fall into the uncanny valley. It begins to seem clear this site wasn't "expecting" this sort of content while it was birthed and growing.

Up to someone more responsible to come up with an idea for how this tag duo is handled.
Yeah.
Just an idea, but how about doing something similar to the likes of Sankaku and Rule34.xxx and create a separate (and maybe more discrete) imageboard specifially for photrealistic and non-anime/eastern style 3d stuff?
Manty said:
Just an idea, but how about doing something similar to the likes of Sankaku and Rule34.xxx and create a separate (and maybe more discrete) imageboard specifially for photrealistic and non-anime/eastern style 3d stuff?
I'm not sure if DMSchmidt would be willing to host it, but that would solve the problem, possibly creating many others in the process.
Several people already mentioned opinions that I would also would've liked to say, so I'll just boil down my tuppence to this:

3DCG Anime Style - OK
3DCG Photorealistic - NOPE

That isn't to say I don't occasionally enjoy the latter, but I rather that particular sub-category be purged from this site (I can look for them elsewhere should the urge arise). Either that, or people who submit them should at least tag it properly so we can filter it easily, and those who don't tag things properly should be penalized. ಠ_ಠ
Life_isn't_fair said:
I'm not sure if DMSchmidt would be willing to host it, but that would solve the problem, possibly creating many others in the process.
Well I have a few Ideas that could fix any problems that could be created.

1) The sister site will be visible to all, but questionable and explicit stuff will be automatically restricted to the "exclusive" users. Meaning said person will have to do meet requirements in number 2 to access them.

2) To make sure people will be contributing here , the sister site (lets call it Secretbooru) would behave similar to E-hentai and Exhentai, as in people will need an account here (hence the restriction part), have it be active for a certain amount of time, and in the case of Lolicit, make a certain amount of good contributions here (but be no where near as difficult to access). Than when people want to go to Secretbooru, all they need to do is just go to it and they'll be automatically logged in as a regular member there. The only thing that they need to not do is delete their Secretbooru cookies in order to stay logged in, or they'll have to log out of lolibooru and than log back in, like on exhentai.

3) Regulars (Privileged and/or just member) users there can do everything that they could do here with some restrictions and minor exceptions. Such as the ability to comment can be removed or like here restricted. But restricted far more on the sister site (like only 2 comments a day). And because the risk of some dumbass uploading pictures of real children would be high for all to see. All uploads should be pending for approval and be hidden from public view by all except Janitors and higher as they would need to approve or delete the post. Hentai-Foundry does something similar where artist uploads need to be per-screened by site mods before being approved for public viewing. Of course janitors, mods, and admins will be except from the upload restriction for obvious reasons. And existing higher ups here will automatically retain their user levels on the sister site.
Normally I'm first to say "people will be themselves regardless of other" but I'll have to admit it just might be a bit excessive now. Im all for 3D CG art, im fact I prefer it over the 2D, however don't get too into it. There is a very thin line between passion and creepy with words
Nitro said:
There is also the realistic tag which I just cannot place in all this. Technically most of the uploads are not photorealistic as they for me at least, heavily fall into the uncanny valley. It begins to seem clear this site wasn't "expecting" this sort of content while it was birthed and growing.

Up to someone more responsible to come up with an idea for how this tag duo is handled.
As written in the wiki, realistic posts should have art close to real human anatomy and shading but don't necessarily strive for realism (e.g. post #176147). photorealistic may as well be the uncanny valley tag.

Life_isn't_fair said:
I need clarification on what should and shouldn't be allowed in the comments, because then I would flag everything I saw that was improper.
Pointless vulgar comments should be deleted. People may ask for help in the comments and then they get buried in inane trash.

Manty said:
Just an idea, but how about doing something similar to the likes of Sankaku and Rule34.xxx and create a separate (and maybe more discrete) imageboard specifially for photrealistic and non-anime/eastern style 3d stuff?
I'm sorry. I don't have the interest or time to maintain a booru just for 3dcg/western art. It's also not free. Those websites run on advertisements, don't they?

altuser said:
Several people already mentioned opinions that I would also would've liked to say, so I'll just boil down my tuppence to this:

3DCG Anime Style - OK
3DCG Photorealistic - NOPE

That isn't to say I don't occasionally enjoy the latter, but I rather that particular sub-category be purged from this site (I can look for them elsewhere should the urge arise). Either that, or people who submit them should at least tag it properly so we can filter it easily, and those who don't tag things properly should be penalized. ಠ_ಠ
This. Posters should just apply themselves and tag properly. We wouldn't be in this mess if they do so.
altuser said:
3DCG Anime Style - OK
3DCG Photorealistic - NOPE
This I agree with on a personal level, and this really is the only problem I have with what is currently going on, like I mentioned.

DMScmidt said:
As written in the wiki, realistic posts should have art close to real human anatomy and shading but don't necessarily strive for realism (e.g. post #176147).
Thank you for clarifying, I'd very seldom seen usage of the tag in that way. It had more often than not been connected to the "photorealistic" tag, as just an alternative. Some posts been tagged as both.

DMSchmidt said:
Pointless vulgar comments should be deleted. People may ask for help in the comments and then they get buried in inane trash.
The thing again is what classifies as pointless and vulgar. Just someone commenting their very disturbing and outright pedo fantasies in the end really harms nobody besides themselves. Deleting someone saying "Oh how hard i want to cum all over and in that cute plump baby pussy with my 13" white as snow dick" will just confuse and anger them. They might not realize what kind of absolute shit they're posting on this site, as other similar people rejoice over such comments, saying how they relate and want to read more of their comments.

If it were up to me, I'd ban fantasizing in the comments altogether as it's absolutely fruitless. Leave that specific audience and their morbid expressive fetishizing to themselves.
I've got my own fetishes too, but I don't go around on every post with thighs saying how hard I want to smash my face between her legs. That is absolutely pointless and makes me look like a desperate fool.

DMSchmidt said:
I'm sorry. I don't have the interest or time to maintain a booru just for 3dcg/western art. It's also not free. Those websites run on advertisements, don't they?
Don't feel obligated to do this. It would either have to be community funded or littered with dreadful looking ads, if you can find anyone to sponsor such a site in the first place. With what would come horrible rep.
You can do whatever you want to do with the comments, but if 3dcg photorealistic is removed from this site, I just won't be coming here anymore. This site is the only free, high quality (as high as the quality bar ever can be for a type of content that can sometimes be great but is this easy to just shovel out) repository for this kind of thing, but if that's gone, if the focus is purely on anime-style art, there's nothing to differentiate it from larger sites with more upload volume such as Gelbooru and Sankaku Channel. Sites which also allow shotacon.

Ultimately, if the owner of the site doesn't want to deal with this, it's their choice. But they should keep the consequences in mind as well, and websites that offer less than a larger, more known competitor tend not to do well.

On a more constructive note, it seems like the problems here are creepy comments and lack of proper tagging. The former is already being addressed, though, I have to say: does anyone in our community actually think the image comment sections contribute to the site? Could commenting be outright removed as a feature? It seems like they're usually either creepy or at the very least not particularly interesting. But I'm a biased observer so this requires more input.

In the latter case, I suggest a multi-step solution:

1. Have an uploading guide, as minimal as possible, with just a short list consisting of "tags that must be on your post if they apply to it", along with simple descriptions of those tags. 3dcg and photorealistic will be among them. I see this as not dissimilar from treating it as an offense to assign something a less explicit rating than it actually is.
2. Make the link to the uploading guide extremely prominent on the upload page, so it's obvious how important it is even if nobody's reading the site news or alerts. A dialog may be warranted here, even.
3. Require registration to upload. This may already be done, I don't feel like logging out to check.
4. Temporarily suspend upload permissions from accounts who upload X or more images without relevant mandatory tags.
5. Permanently suspend if after the first suspension is up, they come back and do it again.

If this policy adopted, after the initial wave of enforcements, you should see a drop in low-quality, insufficiently tagged upload spam, which will help bring the situation back under control.

Edit: On a final note, just to be clear: I do acknowledge that over 99% of 3dcg on this site is trash, and a significant percentage of that trash is trashy enough to outright offend the senses. The reason I speak in defense of it is because among that trash, there can be found the occasional diamond.

post #117533
post #117542
post #117546
post #145347
post #169259
post #179174

Unfortunately, I don't see any way to protect the diamonds without protecting the trash, because it's all just a category…
Sumire-chan said:
...there's nothing to differentiate it from larger sites with more upload volume such as Gelbooru and Sankaku Channel. Sites which also allow shotacon.
While other boards can have loli too, they mainly host regular hentai with enormous badonkahonker cowtits and such. I'll just stick to this thank you very much.
There are sites like ATFbooru but it, and others, usually just share most of the same content, with it just having no real "no western art"-premise unlike here. Which falls inferior, as we know.

Sumire-chan said:
Have an uploading guide, as minimal as possible, with just a short list consisting of "tags that must be on your post if they apply to it", along with simple descriptions of those tags. 3dcg and photorealistic will be among them. I see this as not dissimilar from treating it as an offense to assign something a less explicit rating than it actually is.
2. Make the link to the uploading guide extremely prominent on the upload page, so it's obvious how important it is even if nobody's reading the site news or alerts. A dialog may be warranted here, even.
3. Require registration to upload. This may already be done, I don't feel like logging out to check.
4. Temporarily suspend upload permissions from accounts who upload X or more images without relevant mandatory tags.
5. Permanently suspend if after the first suspension is up, they come back and do it again.
This could work with proper implementation and record-keeping. If anything, I feel a more prominent tagging tutorial is a necessity. Or making relevant wiki entries for tags as, in General: tag
Sumire-chan said:
You can do whatever you want to do with the comments, but if 3dcg photorealistic is removed from this site, I just won't be coming here anymore. This site is the only free, high quality (as high as the quality bar ever can be for a type of content that can sometimes be great but is this easy to just shovel out) repository for this kind of thing...
There, I guess most of the active audience here thinks that way.

Sumire-chan said:
...but if that's gone, if the focus is purely on anime-style art, there's nothing to differentiate it from larger sites with more upload volume such as Gelbooru and Sankaku Channel. Sites which also allow shotacon.
The focus was always on anime-style art, photorealistic was just passively accepted, at least until now.

And there's a difference, being that this site is specific, I'm here for the community that never got to form. Just read some of the early forum topics:

forum #34
forum #348

That is what we wish this site had become.
Solution time

Alacaster said:
Maybe disable comments on certain posts and archive them so they can only be found with special syntax. This may discourage the casual pedophiles (presumably the ones that post annoying comments), but not damage the user base. like ~~[tag] to see archived posts that don't show up in normal searches or feed.
I know it's similar to just blacklisting and would not be necessary if everything was tagged properly, but it's different from blacklisting, it puts it in a position where it's almost not on the site (people should be informed right away that it's on here though. for people that don't have accounts, BING BING! THERE'S COOL STUFF HERE!). Think about the scenario, you could blacklist 3dcg and would easily be able to tell when something that should be tagged isn't (because you can see it) but you'd miss out on other tags, like if photorealistic isn't on there but it should be, or if you blacklist that then vise versa. But if the presence of the image alerts you to it not being in a special category, we all can put things in that we don't know how to verbalize (the "bad" category). so we don't have to change the tags. But still, if you just preface your search with ~~ then the site gives feed like it does now. so basically "buttplug" (only "good" things come up) and "~~buttplug" and (everything shows up). It would be just like Manty's suggestion except WAYYYY easier. I hope.

Sumire-chan said:
1. Have an uploading guide, as minimal as possible, with just a short list consisting of "tags that must be on your post if they apply to it", along with simple descriptions of those tags. 3dcg and photorealistic will be among them. I see this as not dissimilar from treating it as an offense to assign something a less explicit rating than it actually is.
4. Temporarily suspend upload permissions from accounts who upload X or more images without relevant mandatory tags.
5. Permanently suspend if after the first suspension is up, they come back and do it again.

If this policy adopted, after the initial wave of enforcements, you should see a drop in low-quality, insufficiently tagged upload spam, which will help bring the situation back under control.
Tie this into the wiki page I was creating, we need to find people that have time to contribute to the site. I don't, many of us don't, but we could set something up. Be leadership.

We need good commenting guidelines, more specific one's.
asking for help, fantasizing, critiquing, requesting, conversing, advising. Yes or no?

on what manty

Also DM, I'm learning PHP, should I learn any other language or scripting language with that? What would you like someone to know to help you?

I can contribute to the wiki and help pages, and the list of mandatory tags would be SOOOO helpful. Also janitors should be able to edit that page.

But my idea + Sumire-chan's would be 👌👌👌


Manty said:
1) The sister site will be visible to all, but questionable and explicit stuff will be automatically restricted to the "exclusive" users. Meaning said person will have to do meet requirements in number 2 to access them.

2) To make sure people will be contributing here , the sister site (lets call it Secretbooru) would behave similar to E-hentai and Exhentai, as in people will need an account here (hence the restriction part), have it be active for a certain amount of time, and in the case of Lolicit, make a certain amount of good contributions here (but be no where near as difficult to access). Than when people want to go to Secretbooru, all they need to do is just go to it and they'll be automatically logged in as a regular member there. The only thing that they need to not do is delete their Secretbooru cookies in order to stay logged in, or they'll have to log out of lolibooru and than log back in, like on exhentai.

[good idea] All uploads should be pending for approval and be hidden from public view by all except Janitors and higher as they would need to approve or delete the post.
Your thing is confusing. Also it's kind of like saying we should just build a staircase to the moon, impossible, impractical, idealistic, and extraneous. "let's just invent flubber to have flying cars, yay!" Sorry but think about why you could be wrong before believing you're right, I come up with TONS of ideas that are actually pretty stupid. as others have said, 3dcg content is passively aggressively accepted here. It's kind of like etiquette, don't eat straight out of the serving dish, think about WHY that would be a bad idea. Because bacteria and peoples emotions.
Life_isn't_fair said:
And there's a difference, being that this site is specific, I'm here for the community that never got to form.
I also like what there is of a community here. I post on this forum - I don't do that for any other image board. One thing to keep in mind, though: the people who have been attracted to the community, myself included, aren't here as fans of a specific art style. We're here as people with a specific sexual interest that society disapproves of very strongly. If you look into those topics, you quickly see that while the art may be mentioned, it's the topic and the life experiences that have drawn people together.

However, as much as I've liked some of my experiences in this community, I'm also genuinely surprised if I see more than a single new forum post when I check in the morning. You're quite right to speak of something that never formed, but please don't shift the blame for that onto something else you don't like. For a long time, 3dcg was a minority on the site. Yes, for the last couple of weeks or so there's half a page a day, but prior to that, I went weeks with nothing new in my subscription at all. And yet the community didn't form. If it had, I'd be willing to stay without the difficult-to-obtain art, at least, if I didn't take its removal as spite in my direction.

That failure to form certainly wasn't because of "bad" posts or "creepy" comments in the past, though. You can debate how much impact those have, but mostly, very self-evidently, it's just because communities on the internet are really hard to form and even harder to sustain. For any site to not have activity wane over time is a minor miracle, no matter how hard anyone involves tries, and why is simple: far, far too much competition in the world of 'what to do with your free time' in general, and socialization specifically. Forums, too, are on the decline, as more and more adults now grew up with social media phone apps and instant messaging being their norm for online interaction.

tl;dr, the community's failure to thrive is nothing to do with the other issues at hand. Let's keep the two topics separate. And also keep in mind that if a community is what we want, then combining that consideration with hosting an image board may be akin to saying that in order to be good to live in, a house needs a grocery store built into it.
Alacaster said:
...we need to find people that have time to contribute to the site. I don't, many of us don't, but we could set something up. Be leadership.

We need good commenting guidelines, more specific one's.
asking for help, fantasizing, critiquing, requesting, conversing, advising. Yes or no?

on what manty

Also DM, I'm learning PHP, should I learn any other language or scripting language with that? What would you like someone to know to help you?

I can contribute to the wiki and help pages, and the list of mandatory tags would be SOOOO helpful. Also janitors should be able to edit that page.
Alacaster, you said I was kind, but you are 10 times more excited than I was when I was obsessed with the potential of this site. You have the potential to be more useful than I will ever be. I pass my dimming torch to you.

On the programming side, I guess JavaScript would be very useful, and also easy to learn. But if you are planning to work on the engine of this site, as I think you are, Ruby would be more useful, as MyImouto is an PHP Port of Moebooru, which was written in Ruby.

Sumire-chan said:
...One thing to keep in mind, though: the people who have been attracted to the community, myself included, aren't here as fans of a specific art style. We're here as people with a specific sexual interest that society disapproves of very strongly. If you look into those topics, you quickly see that while the art may be mentioned, it's the topic and the life experiences that have drawn people together.

...

You're quite right to speak of something that never formed, but please don't shift the blame for that onto something else you don't like.

...

That failure to form certainly wasn't because of "bad" posts or "creepy" comments in the past, though. You can debate how much impact those have, but mostly, very self-evidently, it's just because communities on the internet are really hard to form and even harder to sustain.

...

tl;dr, the community's failure to thrive is nothing to do with the other issues at hand. Let's keep the two topics separate. And also keep in mind that if a community is what we want, then combining that consideration with hosting an image board may be akin to saying that in order to be good to live in, a house needs a grocery store built into it.
Yes, you made me realize I was off. I probably just have prejudice, and I admit it. Most jackasses on this site, at least that I can remember, love (photo)realistic and 3dcg stuff, and they made me dislike it even more than I already did. However, not every jackass here likes photorealistic and not everyone who likes photorealistic is a jackass. You(Sumire-chan) for exemple, is what I would consider one of the best active users on this forum.

However I also wasn't talking about the forum only, but I was with little time and couldn't elaborate enough. I guess I'm just frustrated about the dissonance of (photo)realistic not being acknowledged in the rules but still allowed and being the focus of most users.

I mean, the logo of the site is an anime girl, but the year popularity page doesn't have any eastern art, only photorealistic stuff. I can feel something wrong with this, can't you?
Life_isn't_fair said:
However I also wasn't talking about the forum only, but I was with little time and couldn't elaborate enough. I guess I'm just frustrated about the dissonance of (photo)realistic not being acknowledged in the rules but still allowed and being the focus of most users.

I mean, the logo of the site is an anime girl, but the year popularity page doesn't have any eastern art, only photorealistic stuff. I can feel something wrong with this, can't you?
What you are describing is that the site's usage is drifting away from its intent. Whether or not that's a bad thing that one ought to feel is wrong depends on which of those two things you place more value in. The site's intended value, as set by the creator, or the value its users have found in it. This is actually a very deep philosophical question with wide-reaching implications, and I don't even pretend to know the real answer.

Imagine the artist, who paints something with great, heartfelt, and personal meaning.
Imagine the viewers, who see in it something the artist never intended, something the artist finds unpleasant, even.
Imagine the unease and unhappiness of the artist, recognizing that what they created has gone awry.
Imagine the happiness of the viewers, who have found something they appreciate, that they will share and be inspired by.

In this situation, to give to one is to take from the other, and there's no avoiding it. So who has the right? The artist, who put the work in? The viewers, who are greater in number? Who has the greater need? Does the artist need to have their way to be fulfilled in life? Would the viewers' lives be diminished without their inspiration?

Personally, I feel like if you feel as though you have the single, undeniable "right" answer to this, you're wrong no matter what it is. It's too subjective, too unclear. But setting all the philosophy aside: in this thread, there have been proposals that would allow users of the site, whatever their preference, to continue using it and being as happy as possible, within the constraints of what's possible. I think that is the noble goal here. And also that any solution that does not accomplish this is inherently the worse one.

Though, the link you post does raise something else that needs to be addressed, namely, that blacklisted entries are actually removed from the number of posts that will display on a page. If a majority of content needs to be blacklisted by any meaningful number of users, that becomes a fairly big issue. And I understand enough of databases to know why it's done this way, but I also know sites that don't have that problem, so that's another entry in the Needs Evaluation bucket.

Perhaps there could be an account option, a flag that, if set to true, instead of hiding blacklisted entries will silently add -blacklistedTag1 -blacklistedTag2 etc. to the query? They would lose the ability to see how many entries were filtered, but see full pages worth of content again - a tradeoff that may be worth it in many cases.
How about we simply set a standard of quality for 3dcg content, add an explicit paragraph to the posting guidelines.

delete if:
  • low ray count
  • disturbing imagery
    • excessive blood
    • mutilation
    • excessive pain
    • lack of emotional expression
  • excessive clipping
  • low quality set design and/ or physics (within reason)
  • dark or depressing lighting (maybe)
  • is attracting many creepy comments
  • Portrays a sexslave dichotomy between a loli and older male/ female
  • at moderators discretion
I think DM's point in having janitors is not so he must do less work but so he can focus on posting/ coding more than fixing other people's stuff and accepting/ deleting posts.

Imma start not allowing some stuff, if you have a problem with that then I can stop. Not on;y what I like, just if it's obscene or unaesthetic
altuser said:
Either that, or people who submit them should at least tag it properly so we can filter it easily, and those who don't tag things properly should be penalized. ಠ_ಠ
Oh, and this.
Nitro said:
If it were up to me, I'd ban fantasizing in the comments altogether as it's absolutely fruitless. Leave that specific audience and their morbid expressive fetishizing to themselves.
I've got my own fetishes too, but I don't go around on every post with thighs saying how hard I want to smash my face between her legs. That is absolutely pointless and makes me look like a desperate fool.
This is pretty much how it should be. Just delete that trash.

Alacaster said:
Also DM, I'm learning PHP, should I learn any other language or scripting language with that? What would you like someone to know to help you?
If you intend to work on MyImouto, then Ruby would be useful to reference Moebooru's code.
Alacaster said:
How about we simply set a standard of quality for 3dcg content, add an explicit paragraph to the posting guidelines.

delete if:
  • low ray count
  • disturbing imagery
    • excessive blood
    • mutilation
    • excessive pain
    • lack of emotional expression
  • excessive clipping
  • low quality set design and/ or physics (within reason)
  • dark or depressing lighting (maybe)
  • is attracting many creepy comments
  • Portrays a sexslave dichotomy between a loli and older male/ female
  • at moderators discretion
I think DM's point in having janitors is not so he must do less work but so he can focus on posting/ coding more than fixing other people's stuff and accepting/ deleting posts.

Imma start not allowing some stuff, if you have a problem with that then I can stop. Not on;y what I like, just if it's obscene or unaesthetic
Most of these aren't against the rules. Posts shouldn't be deleted based on subjective matter (unless it's against the rules).

Oh, and trash comments should be deleted.
DMSchmidt said:
This is pretty much how it should be. Just delete that trash.
Shall take a more offensive stance towards comments now that we've "reached an understanding". Will see how it works, thank you.
Alacaster said:
How about we simply set a standard of quality for 3dcg content, add an explicit paragraph to the posting guidelines.
No, that would be a mess, and there's also what DM said:

DMSchmidt said:
Most of these aren't against the rules. Posts shouldn't be deleted based on subjective matter (unless it's against the rules).
DMSchmidt said:
Oh, and trash comments should be deleted.
I'd still like clarification on what counts as a "thrash comment". We need some exemple to set the standard, or, in Alacaster's words: make a list.
For the comments, if you don't like it, just hit the report button. The mods and admins will figure out whether deletion is justified. On a private non-commercial site with a relatively small community, the admins can arbitrarily decide whatever the guidelines should be, and stick to it as closely or as loosely as they want to.

Although many of the comments do creep me out, I have a pretty high tolerance for them so I've never really bothered on reporting them. Most of them aren't even on the posts that I like anyway so I restrict myself to only reporting extreme cases. If they did start flooding trash comments on posts that I like, I might be motivated to report them.

As mentioned in another thread a long time ago, I rather prefer to have the option to hide/blacklist comments from particular users (currently, a script exists that only hides them from the comments page, but not in the actual posts itself). This way there'd be less need for moderation. But for this to happen, we need coders to help in making it happen.
altuser said:
As mentioned in another thread a long time ago, I rather prefer to have the option to hide/blacklist comments from particular users (currently, a script exists that only hides them from the comments page, but not in the actual posts itself). This way there'd be less need for moderation. But for this to happen, we need coders to help in making it happen.
There's a metadata block at the top of that script where you will see the following line:
// @include https://lolibooru.moe/comment*

That line causes the script to run on the comments page. But the script will also work on the post pages. To run it on those pages, just add the following line to the metadata block:
// @include https://lolibooru.moe/post/show/*
Alacaster said:
How about we simply set a standard of quality for 3dcg content, add an explicit paragraph to the posting guidelines.

delete if:
  • low ray count
  • disturbing imagery
    • excessive blood
    • mutilation
    • excessive pain
    • lack of emotional expression
  • excessive clipping
  • low quality set design and/ or physics (within reason)
  • dark or depressing lighting (maybe)
  • is attracting many creepy comments
  • Portrays a sexslave dichotomy between a loli and older male/ female
  • at moderators discretion
I think DM's point in having janitors is not so he must do less work but so he can focus on posting/ coding more than fixing other people's stuff and accepting/ deleting posts.

Imma start not allowing some stuff, if you have a problem with that then I can stop. Not on;y what I like, just if it's obscene or unaesthetic
The problem with this concept is that there is a very great amount of DRAWN loli content on this site that violates almost every single one of those ideas. In fact, there is FAR MORE of it than there is with 3DCG.